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  1. Nostalgia is of course a big factor.

    But the other factor is fun, it's fun to develop on 8 bit stuff.   Modern stuff can be fun to some extent, but it's a lot more like work, in my opinion.

    I'd compare it to R/C modeling.  Building and operating your remote/radio control airplane/car/boat is a lot of fun.
    As opposed to building or restoring a full size plane, car or boat.  Yeah, there's some fun there, but also, A LOT of work.

    Not a direct comparison of course, but pretty similar I'd say.

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  2. On 10/14/2021 at 8:13 PM, Oldrooster said:

    I came here after noticing that the project I was ALREADY working on

    So you're talking about your My Sharona computer in the first person, rather than third person now?

    So let's see it, surely you could take a video of it working in some respect.  And no, I won't stop calling you Shirley.

    If it's still in the design phase, or even if it isn't... why again would David be interested, when he's got a product almost ready to release?

    But irrespective of David's interest, I'm sure folks here would be interested in what you've got, I'd suggest a post in the "non C16" area of the forum.

    I'm even confused on what processor you're going with... 6502 or Z80?  Or were you going to do a discrete soldered version of a bespoke processor?

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  3. A note on Impossible Mission on the Maxi.  Once in the game, you can reset it and get a new map, by hitting stop/restore, or maybe just restore.  Whatever the sequence is, you can get a random map.  Just got my Maxi a couple days ago, and that's one of the first things I fiddled with, lol.

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  4. On 10/11/2021 at 8:18 AM, Calculon said:

    Just to repeat for clarification: “once every couple of weeks” is not a post from one of the project members. It’s a random person with a question, or an idea, or a link they want to share, etc. Exactly the kind of thing that gets posted here multiple times *every day*. You’re not missing enough to worry about. It’s not “VAST”. It’s tiny.

    That's fine, but the rest of what I said still applies.

    Eh, I was gonna say more, but I just don't care anymore.

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  5. On 10/10/2021 at 11:57 PM, Calculon said:

    The Facebook group has gotten much quieter over the past year.  The vast majority of activity regarding the project happens here, at this point.  I'd estimate a new post (by anyone, not just a project member) happens once in a couple of weeks.  Occasionally David will reply to a post, and it will reveal some new detail of their plans, but it isn't anything like a formal "announcement".  That's how we found out that they were planning to make the X8 more like the X16, recently.  Just a one-liner reply.  He also recently posted a short video showing the low-end keyboard.  But that didn't really reveal anything earth-shattering, either.  Plus, anything interesting ends up getting shared here by someone, within a few days.  So honestly, I don't think it's worth worrying about.  There is no need for FOMO when it comes to the Facebook group.

    It doesn't have to be earth shattering to feel like 2nd class.

    A video about the keyboard?  That would be interesting to anyone following this project, yet no post here.  Even more disappointment and demotivation there.

    A "new post every couple of weeks" would be a VAST improvement over what gets communicated here currently.

    This project had the potential to grab some kind of foothold, or niche, but for me, my interest in it has come way down.  This now holds little more interest for me than any other 8 bit project you can name, and there are quite a few.

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  6. Thank you @Lorin Millsap for your message.

    Speaking only for myself, the dearth of messaging *here* about this project is a significant demotivator.

    In his video(s), David @The 8-Bit Guy implored his audience to develop software for the platform, that that would be the greatest area of help.

    So one would assume that this site (all of commanderx16.com) would be the central clearing house of software, but also of information about the project.

    Consistently having to hear 2nd or 3rd hand new information is disappointing and demotivating. (Facebook seems to be the primary source)

    If David doesn't read this message I'm asking if you and/or other team members could impress upon him the need to change this.  Facebook could continue to be his touchstone with youtube 8-bit guy channel fans, but anything CommanderX16 related should be communicated here, and Facebook posts could be used to point those users here, for that information.

    Not everyone uses Facebook, but everyone *can* pull up a website.

  7. 1 hour ago, paulscottrobson said:

    Actually the X8 is way closer.

    Yeah, I changed my mind on that, and created the thread about making that hard decision.

    And really, I want VERA module(s) for systems I already have. If I had to bet, the X16 will be released, and probably the X8 sooner or later, adding 2 platforms to the 8-bit arena.  So I'd rather have VERA all around, and ideally have it just be processor agnostic, giving video capabilities (and more) to any system that can feed it 1's and 0's fast enough.

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  8. 4 hours ago, pzembrod said:

    As others have pointed out before: Things aren't as clear as you believe them to be.

    Of course they aren't.  And I already said that assumptions are being made. But that could be easily remedied. By giving us access to all of the info and the emulator. This isn't being done and is the source of my frustration.

    This board might be less trafficked than the facebook group, but I'd argue the stronger supporters are here, where else is there software being released for the platform?  Of which, myself, I've released some and have more in the works.

    I immensely appreciate what the team has done so far. But we're ready, willing and able to pony up real cash for this/these products.
    We're being asked if we want one of the said products, but we're being denied access to most of the information about it.

    How is that not frustrating?

  9. 15 minutes ago, pzembrod said:

    Let's wait for Frank or David to chime in, but if Wavicle is right, then I'd rather expect the BASIC interpreter to live from $8000-$BFFF - unless I'm mistaken the extended X16 BASIC is 16k; at least it lives in a 16k ROM bank.

    Of course what I said isn't authoritative, and should be confirmed or corrected. 
    Edit: yes, if BASIC is 16K, that would put it at $8000, or $7e00, adjusting for the Boot ROM.  Leaving then 30208 bytes for BASIC RAM.

  10. 1 hour ago, Wavicle said:

    I'm not in any fashion related to the dev team, so take with a grain of salt, but going by the Verilog design for X8 published last December:

    The 64K of RAM lives at address $0000-$FFFF, with a few exceptions. RAM banking only applies to VRAM which has 256 pages of 256 bytes mapped in at $0400. Sprite, PSG, and Palette RAM live in the $0500 page; and $0600-$0617 (24 bytes) are used for general hardware control and IO (e.g. VRAM bank select is at $0605). The only "ROM" is a "Boot ROM" overlay at the top two pages ($fe00-$ffff) and can be disabled / turned into normal RAM by, I think, clearing bit 3 of $0602 (can't quite tell which due to the lateness of the hour, but it looks like the logic is inverted in the design where it is labeled "bootrom_dis", so I would imagine that bit is functionally "bootrom overlay enabled").

    $0000-$03ff, and $0618-$fdff are always RAM and writes to $fe00-$ffff are always written to RAM but vary their read behavior depending on what the bootrom overlay bit's value is. Presumably the bootrom's job is to fetch the OS kernel from SPI and write it into RAM; it should then disables the bootrom overlay and execute entirely out of RAM.

    Thank you for this, but I'm still baffled why would couldn't have gotten this on the first day.

    But anyway, $0000 to $00ff is of course zero page, $0100-$01ff is stack, $0200-$03ff is going to be basic/kernal variables, the rest as you mentioned.  I'm gonna guess basic program storage still starts at $0800, leaving $0618-$07ff as a free/ML area, so $0800 to $9fff (38912 bytes), unless that 512 bytes of Boot ROM pushes the Kernal and BASIC down to $9e00, but even so, that's 38,400 bytes for BASIC, which is what you'd expect.  Not using BASIC would then give you a contiguous block $0618 - $bdff, 47080 bytes.

  11. You know what I really want?  Just the VERA.

    I already made mention that we're already talking about a  "VERA ecosystem", especially if both X8 and X16 are released, and @Birk reminded me:


    why not release the VERA module?  I'd love to have a video interface like the VERA for some other projects.  This would let me connect something like the STM32 to a monitor or TV, or add some cool features to Ben Eater's 6502 kit.  The VERA could become a whole product on it's own with higher priced versions that could go up to 720 or 1080i/p HDMI.

    I already have fully working, fully license-problem free versions of 65xx systems sitting on the table behind me.  They're called the VIC 20 and the C64C.  I'll probably buy a 3rd 65xx system: Ben Eater's kit.   And, at this point, I may or may not buy a Commander Xxx.

    But I would buy VERA modules for ALL of those (that didn't have it already).

    Especially if there's more than one Xxx platform anyway.

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  12. 7 minutes ago, Birk said:

    At the risk of throwing a monkey wrench into the discussion... I was thinking (always dangerous) that if one of the issues is to help recoup costs, then why not release the VERA module?  I'd love to have a video interface like the VERA for some other projects.  This would let me connect something like the STM32 to a monitor or TV, or add some cool features to Ben Eater's 6502 kit.  The VERA could become a whole product on it's own with higher priced versions that could go up to 720 or 1080i/p HDMI.  I'd be happy with a version that might still have some bugs in it if there were a simple way to "Field Program" it.  (get it, get it, eh, eh... sorry)  Since it's an FPGA the feature set could evolve over time or allow for some trade offs that might not make sense for the X16 but might for other applications.  Just thinking out loud.

    The VERA really is the killer app, million dollar idea here. I hope they take advantage of that fact.

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  13. 2 minutes ago, BruceMcF said:

    Also, note that you have specified that the reference is to a campaign that insinuated that the left wing of the Democratic party were childish and the Democratic Leadership Council wing were the adults in the room. "It was a reference to a previous insult" makes it an even weaker excuse.

    Sorry, incorrect.  It's a quote from James Carville, consulting for the Clinton campaign, which caught on quite extensively and was a factor in his victory.

    from Wikipedia:

     derived from a list he (James Carville) posted in the campaign war room to help focus himself and his staff, with these three points:

    1. Change vs. more of the same.
    2. The economy, stupid.
    3. Don't forget health care.[62]
  14. 2 minutes ago, BruceMcF said:

    So it's not calling everybody stupid, it's calling everybody childish. Including David,

    Maybe that was not what you intended ... in which case, I guess that's an oops for you.

    That isn't what I intended, or should be inferred.  The reference is that there's an answer staring everyone in the face.  And this concludes me explaining the reference, how you take it is up to you!

  15. 43 minutes ago, BruceMcF said:

    ISo the LX8 as you are imagining it is not the same LX8 that is basically available to bring to market now, unless they decide to do a few tweaks to it.

    Didn't think it was.  And as I doubt there's 1000 sitting in a garage, why couldn't the design be changed before a production run was initiated?

    And by the way, where did the L come from?

    I hope nobody mistakes my passion for anything but that. (And incidentally, the title of this thread is a play on a theme from the 1st Clinton campaign in the 90's, I'm not calling anyone here stupid, far from it)

    My expectation is not that the Commander Xwhatever takes the world by storm, but my hope is that it takes hold enough that there would be a respectable audience/ecosystem/following/what have you, that would make developing for the platform interesting, and a pleasure, and that those creations could be shared in as friction-free way as possible.

    After all, a stated goal (the main goal?), is a system where it could all be understood by just 1 person.

    That implies development for the platform will largely be 1 person endeavors.

    People who, generally speaking, are going to be older, with appreciable limits on their free time.

    2 platforms puts a strain on that free time (small/large?  that will depend) , and is going to create some areas of friction in sharing of one's work, it'll just make it harder, how much harder can be argued about.

    Will it be the end of the world if both are released?  No. But it's just added complication, and for what benefit?

    If the size of the market isn't at all a consideration, that the system is designed for the single user to just sit in their dim basement and hack around on and "learn about computing" then frankly, I'm not interested.  I'll buy Ben Eater's kit for that.

    I'm really going to try to make this my last post on the subject, I'm sure I've annoyed many already.

    Best wishes!

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