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New vlog on YouTube: 

If you wanted to see how to execute code in multiple segments of RAM with a single LOAD from BASIC, this is the video for you.

See the description for the GitHub repo with example code and scripts.

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It’s comments like this which can lead to the end of civilized society....

But I have y’all’s backs now that I know who’s on the right side of history. 😁

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18 minutes ago, TomXP411 said:

Well, since Steve Wilhite, the person who created the format, pronounces it "jif", there can no longer be a debate, except by trolls.  😉

https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/tech/web/pronounce-gif

When I hear a "discussion" about the pronunciation of GIF, someone almost always tries to compare it to "garage" as though that is the only sound G can make. As though people go around pronouncing "giraffe" as "grr-aff".

It brings to mind a second season episode of Star Trek The Next Generation, when Dr Pulaski addresses "Data" with the pronunciation "dah-ta". When he corrects her, she asks "what's the difference" to which he replies "one is my name; the other is not". 🙂

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so.. it stands for Jraphics Interchange Format?  >:)

(I say, as long as you know what the person is talking about, and communication happened, pronunciation doesn't matter one bit)

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Just now, Scott Robison said:

When I hear a "discussion" about the pronunciation of GIF, someone almost always tries to compare it to "garage" as though that is the only sound G can make. As though people go around pronouncing "giraffe" as "grr-aff".

It brings to mind a second season episode of Star Trek The Next Generation, when Dr Pulaski addresses "Data" with the pronunciation "dah-ta". When he corrects her, she asks "what's the difference" to which he replies "one is my name; the other is not". 🙂

I'm stealing that.... "One is the its name. The other is not."

 

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3 minutes ago, Scott Robison said:

When I hear a "discussion" about the pronunciation of GIF, someone almost always tries to compare it to "garage" as though that is the only sound G can make. As though people go around pronouncing "giraffe" as "grr-aff".

It brings to mind a second season episode of Star Trek The Next Generation, when Dr Pulaski addresses "Data" with the pronunciation "dah-ta". When he corrects her, she asks "what's the difference" to which he replies "one is my name; the other is not". 🙂

Garage is a good case study actually, it has both pronunciations of G in it.

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Just now, x16tial said:

so.. it stands for Jraphics Interchange Format?  >:)

That is a better argument than the "garage" example I so often hear used. It makes at least as much sense as "Bill" being a diminutive form of "William".

I've read that the rules of pronunciation are much more varied when it comes to proper nouns. One can declare that the name "Bob" should be pronounced as "Sue" (though I will definitely look at them funny).

Ultimately: https://www.newtimes.co.rw/children-education/master-sound-when-g-pronounced-j-or-g

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7 minutes ago, x16tial said:

so.. it stands for Jraphics Interchange Format?  >:)

(I say, as long as you know what the person is talking about, and communication happened, pronunciation doesn't matter one bit)

And I agree in large part with that. Conveyance of the idea is more important than the pronunciation. We try to pronounce the names of people correctly, and regardless of my thoughts on it, there is a movement to allow people to select their preferred pronouns. Thus I think that it is worth trying to get proper nouns right and go with the preference of the person who defined the name when possible. I also try not to get too worked up about it when I hear someone get it wrong unless I think they are doing it deliberately as a sign of disrespect (in which case I'm not talking about the name of an inanimate object, I mean their preferred pronunciation of their name or preference of pronoun).

My youngest child is biologically male, but identifies female and prefers she/her. I often don't get it right, but I don't get it wrong because I want to hurt feelings, I get it wrong because this child was my male offspring for 20 years before a choice was made. I think the intent is a huge consideration.

My own name (Robison) does not have an N in the middle. My family pronounces it "RAH-bi-sen". Most people it seems pronounce it as "ROW-bi-sen" if they notice the missing N, or "RAH-bin-sen" if their mind fills in the missing letter because they see what they expected. Pronunciation can be hard, especially in a language such as English with many exceptions to rules because of how much vocabulary we steal from other languages and other various reasons.

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Posted (edited)

ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif.f702dc9520c290bc2b9496ff09826994.gif

I booted up DOSBox and installed Compushow just so I could get the image to show with original text. I made an animated GIF out of it so browsers will show the text - no modern tools seem to support the feature.

 

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I think we are missing the true elephant in the room here. What we should really worry about are people/websites that call short video files "GIF" when they are in fact something else (like MP4 for example). That is just wrong, and they deserve bad things happening to them.

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1 hour ago, Fnord42 said:

I think we are missing the true elephant in the room here. What we should really worry about are people/websites that call short video files "GIF" when they are in fact something else (like MP4 for example). That is just wrong, and they deserve bad things happening to them.

That's how I used to feel when people would refer to ROM game console cartridges as tapes.

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Here's my reply that I wrote under Matt's video:

 

Because “gif” is just a regular word in Dutch (meaning: poison), I cannot pronounce it any other than that word /χɪf/. Definitely not “Jiff” 🙂

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38 minutes ago, desertfish said:

Because “gif” is just a regular word in Dutch (meaning: poison), I cannot pronounce it any other than that word /χɪf/. Definitely not “Jiff” 🙂

Pronunciation is definitely going to vary depending on one's native language.

I recall a tagline I used to see regularly on BBS message boards and relay networks: "Choosy perverts choose GIF" (which works because of a series of commercials in the US [at least] that used the tagline "Choosy Moms Choose Jif", which they completely botched recently in a promotion with giphy). 🙂

It's interesting (not surprising) that we were so fond of GIF files at the time as being such high quality when there are so much better solutions available today. Progress marches on.

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3 hours ago, Scott Robison said:

Pronunciation is definitely going to vary depending on one's native language.

Quite. Being a native English speaker, I pronounce it "Gif". Of course, being an old professor, since the "G" in the acronym stands for "Graphic", I am also tempted to pronounce it "Gif".

However, if it was spelled "GYF", I would pronounce it "Jife", similar to gyrate.

Not sure what the native language of the inventor of the format was ... perhaps it was z80 assembly language.

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9 hours ago, BruceMcF said:

perhaps it was z80 assembly language.

As there is conspicuously no G register on the Z80, you may be on to something here...

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If he wanted it pronounced jif, he should have called it JIF.  Like the brand of peanut butter.  But he didn't so it isn't. 

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28 minutes ago, Scott Robison said:

And if they wanted it pronounced garaje, or jiraffe, or ... 🙂

Begun, the gif wars have.

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Acronyms have little to no relation to how the words they abbreviate are pronounced. Otherwise, SCUBA would rhyme with 'Bubba.' LASER would rhyme with 'passer.' JPEG (which is a combination of an initialism and an acronym) would rhyme with 'trayf egg.'

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6 hours ago, kelli217 said:

Acronyms have little to no relation to how the words they abbreviate are pronounced. Otherwise, SCUBA would rhyme with 'Bubba.' LASER would rhyme with 'passer.' JPEG (which is a combination of an initialism and an acronym) would rhyme with 'trayf egg.'

Your SCUBA and LASER examples are about morphing the vowel pronunciation. Neither leading consonant is morphed.

They would go with the inventor declaring it is pronounced "gife" to rhyme with knife. I would have been down with that back in the 90s.

I am not following your third example, JPEG rhymes with "something egg". What's fun about JPEG is that it has a voiced, unwritten vowel, like one-time coach Krnvic of the Melbourne Knights. But there is no morphing of the consonant between "Joint" and "JAY-peg".

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8 hours ago, Ed Minchau said:

Begun, the gif wars have.

At least when everyone read that, they read it as being pronounced "correctly".

 

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The P in JPEG stands for Photography. "Trayf" is the opposite of "kosher." It rhymes with "waif."

You might note that the S in LASER if pronounced as in the abbreviated word, would go from a voiced to a sibilant sound.

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1 hour ago, kelli217 said:

The P in JPEG stands for Photography. "Trayf" is the opposite of "kosher." It rhymes with "waif."

You might note that the S in LASER if pronounced as in the abbreviated word, would go from a voiced to a sibilant sound.

😜🙂

Ah, but we are talking about morphing the leading consonant here. And all your examples are morphing to make it more like the natural pronunciation of the acronym when read as a word ... as P without H is not pronounced F ... not to impose an unnatural pronunciation on them.

If GIF was the most natural way to spell "JIF", JIFFY clocks would be GIFFY clocks.

 

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