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On 10/16/2021 at 6:05 AM, Edmond D said:

I'm not so sure it will become common in the future for the general public. The carbon footprint of a launch is probably very significant and perhaps might be what kills consumer space rides.

A few out of the general public need to step up to the plate and go into space themselves, just as colonization starts off with government funded expeditions, like sending the Columbus to the new world, it then becomes less the domain of the government funded expeditions and becomes a civilian matter with civilian settlers.

Depending on the horrible decent into totalitarian states taking place around the world, the economic collapse to come, and other factors, people may well settle space just as the Russians have settled into LEO during my lifetime.

The carbon footprint of space travel is just a 'blame the peasant' form of carbon washing diversion, it is to take the attention off the real causes of most of the destruction, like forest clearing for hamburgers, burning coal and oil, that sort of thing, where rich people pay to have attention turned to small things, when you're burning the whole planet to death you can pay a pittance to have some poor teenagers blame themselves for finding it impractical to stumble around in the dark for an hour a year, a task that will never have a bearing on climate change. Ever.

Just working out the number of rockets, the actual releases on a global annual scale, and there is nothing significant about the important task of launching rockets, in comparison to say coal or oil or deforestation. It's just blame the peasant.

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Isn't there free methane (all you can drink) on some moon somewhere up there?  Sure, it's damn cold and so the gas is in liquid form but still.  We are in a race against the Chinese and against the Russians to harvest it.  Or maybe that was FPGAs?

I'm weary from all of this FPGA-chatter.  But I actually have some shat-news that I'll share once I find a light bulb to fix this blown out dining room light [types whilst sitting in the dark].  

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  Space is a frontier of resources on an astronomical scale, harvesting from asteroids is easy and landings, samples, preliminary steps towards that have been taken already.  

 

China just launched their second crew to their third space station yesterday. Russia is on it's twelfth station or thereabouts, I've forgotten exactly,  and China has real ambitions to harvest resources on a Chinese-industrial scale.

Shat-news as you call it 8-) is fun, but I'd like to see travel to space on a mass tourist scale and living permanently in space in rebel colonies for real, and real soon too, before I die. Not sure if that will happen, but if it does, I guess it may have to do with Russia and China allowing and assisting civilians to do so, much as the USA has done with Elon and so on. I wouldn't go into space as Shatner did, on any American rocket, their safety record is lack-luster. Whereas the last time a manned Russian rocket failed the cosmonauts were like "well, now we have to go back to Moscow and await the next rocket' and so they did. I prefer their tech, and would take comfort knowing that when things go wrong, it's Russian tech and I'll probably be alright.

I wouldn't go for a joyride, I'd like to settle there.

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On 10/16/2021 at 11:52 AM, EMwhite said:

Isn't there free methane (all you can drink) on some moon somewhere up there?  Sure, it's damn cold and so the gas is in liquid form but still.  We are in a race against the Chinese and against the Russians to harvest it.

"To down that much alcohol, every person on earth would have to drink 300,000 pints each day—for one billion years."

I'm not sure that much alcohol is good for you, but I'm sure someone, somewhere is willing to try. I wonder what Shatners crew had in the way of food. In space, your taste does not work very well, Cosmonauts love onions on the ISS and fresh food, anything fresh. They love it when the robot ships arrive with fresh food and mail. There was a deal done on a political level way back which saw a free trip to space for a malaysian, and you'd be like, what would they want in space, and his primary scientific task I believe was outlined as testing out Malay foods in zero-g. Not to be outdone by the later shuttle crews who spent so much time phoning home to boast they didn't get much work done at all.

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On 10/16/2021 at 2:03 AM, Oldrooster said:

... I'm not sure that much alcohol is good for you, but I'm sure someone, somewhere is willing to try. I wonder what Shatners crew had in the way of food. ...

As a sub-orbital flight, I don't think it would have been necessary to eat enroute. A sippy tube in the helmet if they got thirsty was probably all that was needed.

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Here's a pic of Shat and Michael Tomczyk from Commodore; this is during the Vic20 photo shoot for their advertising campaign.  Michael recounts the story and says that he had the honor of being the first person to teach Shatner how to use a Computer because "... of course, all of the computers on the Enterprise were fake" LOL.  He said that he was a genuinely nice guy, very personable.  Michael hands these out @ speaking engagements (I met him at VCF East last weekend and he gave me that picture when I mentioned Shatner and the launch).  During his talk/presentation (it's on YouTube if you are interested), he mentions that he was in touch with Shatner's 'people' recently and he was kind enough to have William sign a few of these pictures which Michael treasures; has one framed in his office and a few for safe keeping.  Of course this one is signed by Michael for me.  He's an awesome guy also.

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On 10/16/2021 at 12:34 PM, EMwhite said:

Here's a pic of Shat and Michael Tomczyk from Commodore; this is during the Vic20 photo shoot for their advertising campaign.  Michael recounts the story and says that he had the honor of being the first person to teach Shatner how to use a Computer because "... of course, all of the computers on the Enterprise were fake" LOL.  He said that he was a genuinely nice guy, very personable.  Michael hands these out @ speaking engagements (I met him at VCF East last weekend and he gave me that picture when I mentioned Shatner and the launch).  During his talk/presentation (it's on YouTube if you are interested), he mentions that he was in touch with Shatner's 'people' recently and he was kind enough to have William sign a few of these pictures which Michael treasures; has one framed in his office and a few for safe keeping.  Of course this one is signed by Michael for me.  He's an awesome guy also.

Awesome picture!

I had the opportunity to meet William Shatner at a Trek convention back in the 90's, and I ended up getting sick and not going. I really regretted it since that opportunity never did present itself again. However, I did get to meet Jonathan Frakes a few years later, at a Trek convention again of course, and I had a sighed photo of him and Patrick Stewart, but I sadly misplaced it years ago in a move. I think it's back in my home state with my parents, but I'm not sure.

Of course, since we're sharing Commodore Shatner memories, we can't leave out the commercials we all know very well, though I still think my favorite is the "wonder computer of the 1980's". That was the one I remembered the most back then.

 

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On 10/17/2021 at 2:53 AM, BruceMcF said:

As a sub-orbital flight, I don't think it would have been necessary to eat enroute. A sippy tube in the helmet if they got thirsty was probably all that was needed.

 

On 10/17/2021 at 3:45 AM, x16tial said:

It was 10 minutes 16 seconds from liftoff to capsule touchdown in the desert.

oh g** that's not going into space, that's a vomit comet or a fast elevator. I thought some people had gone into orbit recently on a tourist trip, must have gotten confused with that one, which I didn't take the time to look up. I think it was denis tito or some japanese reporter who was the first tourist to space long ago. Long long ago. It's been done. Properly. To orbit. No, kick me in the pants hard enough so I lift off the ground and I'll be happy to redefine space as half the height I lifted off to, so long as you promise not to do it again cause that hurt. I mean it, that hurt.

Now don't get me started on amusement rides in amusement parks. I am now old enough to see why people like big slow, really slow, I mean tectonically slow, amusement rides.

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There have been orbital space tourism trips to the ISS, via the Soviet rockets, though that was halted a few years ago, and there may be more courtesy of NASA. But the recent "space race" have been for suborbital flights.

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Some "shake of {insert random middle-eastern country]..." booked a ride on the Shuttle some time back and hung out at the Space Station.  I think they told him not to touch anything.  Not to be confused with the civilian teacher that sadly blew up with the rest of the crew on launch.  The recent orbital tourism was indeed four people and it was a SpaceX flight, 3+ days I think; fairly impressive but they had problems with the Space Toilet (those things never work).  

As impressive as all of the early adopters may be, they were beat by a Monkey,  a Dog, lower order mammals, Tom Hanks playing a Hobo; no wait that was a beloved Christmas Character drinking hot baked beans on top of a train.  Good thing this is an off-topic channel, else this thread would be toast.

But one good thing about the Blue Origin [umm...] landing is that it's akin to being in a minor car crash like the Soyuz so the kick-in-the-arse sensation can be had by all; except I think I saw Shat laying down with some sort of inflatable whoopee cushion as lumbar support so maybe it's more like being dropped from 10' in the air onto a middle school gym tumbling mat.  (I don't know, it's still early here, I save my better material for later)

EDIT: it was "Sultan bin Salman Al Saud" better known as سلطان بن سلمان آل سعود in 1985 - our administration made believe he was a payload specialist, I guess.

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Added early adopter that beat Shat into space, but not the monkey or the dog
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On 10/17/2021 at 1:03 PM, BruceMcF said:

There have been orbital space tourism trips to the ISS, via the Soviet rockets, though that was halted a few years ago, and there may be more courtesy of NASA. But the recent "space race" have been for suborbital flights.

It's older than that, however as Toyohiro Akiyama is a very japanese name you wont find him given credit in the USA by their historians I expect.

Lol, yes, tourism had to take a back seat for ages simply because the USA went backwards and could not get into space anymore. They had to buy up all the tourist seats they could and as always the Russians were nice to them. The end of the ISS may see a similar thing happen with Americans having a presence in space, to make it clear, the ISS is a Russian space station first and foremost, all other nationalities with modules there, and there are a few, have modules that cannot fly by themselves and rely on the Russian space station to hold them in orbit.

Vomit comets can't reach space and I don't see where else to draw the line except orbit. You can take blue origin and call it space and you can take an elevator and call it space, the principle is exactly the same it varies only in amounts. People who cannot get into orbit redefine space as it pleases them and then have to work out embarrassing consequences of their silly definitions and if you're selling something of course you'll call it whatever sells. Don't call it turbulence that makes you vomit, I know, lets call it space and be sure to just clean up any talk of vomit in the marketing department, then we can charge a fortune.

So the Japanese man is considered by some not to be a tourist, and today Shatner is considered one, tomorrow I'll life off my seat because of a whopping great f*rt and then I'll be an astronaut and rewrite history like NASA just did, so who cares. Hey, to be sensible, Orbit is leaving earth and not orbit is not orbit.

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