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Greetings Commandos.

With the start of the new year, some changes are coming to the Commander X16 forums. Today, we are here to announce a new management team for the Commander X16 community.

As you know, @Perifractic has taken a step back to focus on other matters. As a result, he has handed off his stewardship of the Commander X16 forums to key members of the community whilst ensuring hosting and licenses are safely in place through most of 2022. Likewise, @MattGrandis is stepping back from managing the forum software.

As of Jan 4, the members of your new Forum moderation and management team are:

Community Manager: @Cyber

Cyber will be handling community communication. He will manage the forum moderation, as well as liaise between this forum and all of the other social media where things X16-related are happening. If you have a question about the forum, a suggestion, or need moderation help, Cyber is your new point of contact.

Accounts: @JimmyDansbo 

One of the exciting new things we plan to do in the Commander X16 community is allow you, its members, to contribute to the community’s development and maintenance. Jimmy will be leading this effort and keeping the bills paid.

IT: @TomXP411

Tom will be handling the web site and the forum software. So hit him up with technical or web site issues.

In addition, we have two new moderators on staff: @VincentF and @Scott Robison

Both have been prolific posters here on the forum, and Scott has worked with The 8-Bit Guy on the PETSCII Robots project, coding the Commodore 128 version.

As we progress into 2022, we’ll have some big decisions to make. We want all of the members to be part of those decisions, so we will bring you questions and take your input over the coming months. In the meantime, know that all of our efforts are going to make this an inclusive and rewarding space for Commander X16 fans and retrocomputing enthusiasts of all types.

So let’s get set for a great 2022 and beyond.

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Great to see that the best ever retro forum lives on!

 

Question; now that David is not interested to neither put money or time into the forum; is it not time to make it true independent and remove the "Copyright © 2021 8-Bit Productions LLC. All rights reserved." on the front page?

Seems weird that a member driven forum should give the copyright to a commercial company (that has not even financed the site).


 

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On 1/7/2022 at 6:34 PM, martinot said:

Question; now that David is not interested to neither put money or time into the forum; is it not time to make it true independent and remove the "Copyright © 2021 8-Bit Productions LLC. All rights reserved." on the front page?

Seems weird that a member driven forum should give the copyright to a commercial company (that has not even financed the site).

Copyright is owned by the original author. In as much as the non-forum material had copyright assigned to 8-Bit Productions, it would be up to the author and/or 8-Bit Productions to change the copyright of that material.

In as much as individuals create content for the forums (be they forum posts, demos, utilities, games, whatever), they maintain the copyright on those themselves (at least according to US law).

There may come a time to more clearly delineate what is and is not the intellectual property of 8-Bit Productions, but for now it doesn't really do any harm. Also, at the moment, there is no legal entity that could assume the copyright anyway.

Look at the copyright as being "the forum templates and configuration currently are the property of 8-Bit Productions but not the total content".

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On 1/7/2022 at 7:28 AM, Ender said:

Thanks everyone for stepping up! I was a little worried after I saw David's post the other day, but it looks like we'll be around for a while yet!

I still am really baffled by David's borderline disdain for this site.  The consolidated software library with emulator seems like it will/would boost the X16 in a big way.  /shrug

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Having talked with David a lot over the last few months, I don't think disdain is the right word. I think it is a matter of he's already invested "five figures" in the project trying to push x16 up the hill. Checking the price for the Invision forum software shows that it is not cheap.

It's not a matter of disdain for the site, it is a matter of making decisions on where to best spend his money. He might come to a different decision than others would, but it's his money to decide how to spend.

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On 1/7/2022 at 8:27 PM, Scott Robison said:

Having talked with David a lot over the last few months, I don't think disdain is the right word. I think it is a matter of he's already invested "five figures" in the project trying to push x16 up the hill. Checking the price for the Invision forum software shows that it is not cheap.

It's not a matter of disdain for the site, it is a matter of making decisions on where to best spend his money. He might come to a different decision than others would, but it's his money to decide how to spend.

He also spent five figures on the new studio in the back yard.  Yeah, give him a break.

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Well, 1, I wasn't giving him anything that needs a "break", I've actually been a vocal defender of David's, especially around the paperclip thing.  And 2, I'm not talking about him financially supporting the site, I don't care if he pays for it or not.  And I think disdain is appropriately used, and I did say *borderline*.  it just doesn't make sense to me.

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On 1/7/2022 at 10:11 PM, x16tial said:

Well, 1, I wasn't giving him anything that needs a "break", I've actually been a vocal defender of David's, especially around the paperclip thing.  And 2, I'm not talking about him financially supporting the site, I don't care if he pays for it or not.  And I think disdain is appropriately used, and I did say *borderline*.  it just doesn't make sense to me.

It is frustating that he prefers the Facebook group over this site, where he has a dedicated audience. If he wanted a PETSCII Robots forum, that's one click away. Planet X forum? One click away. However, that's his decision to make, and I certainly don't want to tell David or anyone else how to run a media empire. 😃

I've actually thought about building discussion areas where we could discuss various retro-tubers... I have a few ideas for new topic areas to expand the conversation beyond just the one computer (and probably to consolidate some of the topic areas that aren't being used now.) If anyone has any suggestions  about that, feel free to throw them in the new thread on the Website Feedback and Support area.

 

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Personally, I just see the site, forum, and X16 project evolving as time goes on. Maybe not in the same way some may want, as opinions are personal and different, but in the way it all has to evolve so it can continue to exist.

I came here becasue the X16, @The 8-Bit Guy and @Perifracticlead me here, but I stay becasue of the people I met here, and the fantastic interactions with like minded retro enthusiasts. This is the first "retro" forum I have ever actively participated in, and is the only forum I am currently active in. Outside of support for Pi/Arduino stuff on their forums that is. Since I left the world of social media behind many years ago, this is where I choose to "hang out".

That being said, congrats to everyone taking up the mantle to help keep the forums going! 😁

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On 1/8/2022 at 12:45 PM, Strider said:

I came here becasue the X16, @The 8-Bit Guy and @Perifracticlead me here, but I stay becasue of the people I met here, and the fantastic interactions with like minded retro enthusiasts. This is the first "retro" forum I have ever actively participated in

I think this is true for many, perhaps most of us. I know it is for me, and it's why I volunteered to help if I could. I don't want to see the forum disappear. I don't mind using other social media, but this is a far more useful for the community due to it being indexed by search engines and easier to find info than on FB. So FB has its place, but so does this forum.

That being said, I appreciate people have to make their own decisions as to where they spend their time. FB has a lot of eyes just like YT, so it makes sense to be there as well.

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On 1/8/2022 at 2:32 PM, Scott Robison said:

I think this is true for many, perhaps most of us. I know it is for me, and it's why I volunteered to help if I could. I don't want to see the forum disappear. I don't mind using other social media, but this is a far more useful for the community due to it being indexed by search engines and easier to find info than on FB. So FB has its place, but so does this forum.

That being said, I appreciate people have to make their own decisions as to where they spend their time. FB has a lot of eyes just like YT, so it makes sense to be there as well.

Most definitely, if you want exposure, FB and YT are a must these days. YT is a fantastic resource for countless things, for both the content creator and consumer of that content. FB is excellent for easy interactions with your base since most everyone uses it.

I just choose to consume information where I find it, but only interact on forums. I guess I am just old school. Forums are more my pace, always have been. Also, I tend to lurk on here more than I post, I often save the posting until time permits. 😜

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On 1/8/2022 at 4:27 AM, Scott Robison said:

Having talked with David a lot over the last few months, I don't think disdain is the right word. I think it is a matter of he's already invested "five figures" in the project trying to push x16 up the hill. Checking the price for the Invision forum software shows that it is not cheap.

It's not a matter of disdain for the site, it is a matter of making decisions on where to best spend his money. He might come to a different decision than others would, but it's his money to decide how to spend.

Not to take anything away from David, but I was under the impression that it has been Perifractic that has paid 100% for this site, forum and forum software.

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On 1/9/2022 at 11:42 AM, martinot said:

Not to take anything away from David, but I was under the impression that it has been Perifractic that has paid 100% for this site, forum and forum software.

That is correct. I mentioned what I did because of the disdain comment, inferring incorrectly that the belief was disdain was related to payment to continue to the forum. That has subsequently been clarified. All I can add to it is that the reason for not using the forum more on David's part is a lack of time to add yet another website to his daily activity. He does come here when he perceives a big enough reason to do so, but that's not daily.

Now that we have active admin and moderation in progress again, I am hopeful we can fill in the role that many have expressed frustration with, namely that "official" information isn't presented here. It may not be first still, but an admin posting an official announcement to an official forum with a reference to the original location the information originated will hopefully alleviate some of the problem. As we get closer to a real launch of hardware, things will pick up, it's just slow now due to supply chain issues. It's not like a lot of new information is being presented anywhere at the moment.

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On 1/9/2022 at 12:29 PM, Scott Robison said:

Now that we have active admin and moderation in progress again, I am hopeful we can fill in the role that many have expressed frustration with, namely that "official" information isn't presented here. It may not be first still, but an admin posting an official announcement to an official forum with a reference to the original location the information originated will hopefully alleviate some of the problem. As we get closer to a real launch of hardware, things will pick up, it's just slow now due to supply chain issues. It's not like a lot of new information is being presented anywhere at the moment.

Is there a place other than here and the FB group where official information may be announced? I try to follow both and didn't think the FB group was any better.

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On 1/10/2022 at 10:50 AM, Wavicle said:

Is there a place other than here and the FB group where official information may be announced? I try to follow both and didn't think the FB group was any better.

I am not aware of any, which goes to my final point that not a lot of info is being presented anywhere at the moment. Just that on occasion David has answered a direct question, and it will be nice if that information can be shared here in a more or less official capacity (realizing we're only "official" admins and moderators of the forums and do not speak directly for the project; just that we can hopefully do a better job of mirroring information when it is available).

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I see here a great community and demonstration of leadership with this management initiative. It was initially this site that attracted me to the CX16. Although facebook is a great tool for marketing purposes and analytics, it are forums like this that build the core competence and knowledge sharing.

Running a forum is a separate skill and requires indeed a good management team. It are the people behind the acronyms that make retro computing on the CX16 a living thing.

So good luck to all of you, and thank you.

Sven

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I agree!

@Perifractic did a fantastic job with this site and it is very kind of him to fund yet another year of license and operation cost from his own pockets, and nice to see that other voluntary members will take over and not let it die (which I think is what would have happend otherwise as 8-Bit Productions LLC has zero interest in it).

This is the best 8-bit retro computer forum. Thanks for keeping it a live and giving it an extented future! 💕

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