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1 hour ago, Perifractic said:

And just for the record currently we have both reset and nmi pins on the motherboard and one button on the front of the case which you can choose to connect to either of those pins depending on your preferred option. And the power button separately of course.

It would be nice if there were two buttons on the front, but I get how that's an issue... PC makers haven't had two buttons on the front of a PC case for a long time.

Buuut.... it's fairly easy to drill a hole and add a button. If the NMI triggers a warm boot, like it does on the C64, I'll probably add a second button for that. 

 

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Or two existing front buttons might be used for Reset and NMI, and Power button might be moved to back of the case. Each user might come up with his own preference.

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Another thought is that PS/2 keyboard connector has unused pins which may be used for these additional buttons. This would require a custom mod for both keyboard and board, but who knows, some users might do even this, if they prefer.

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That's a bargain and a half but I suppose you can view it as a commodity kbd and you get any color you want as long as it's black.

All of the customizations on this kbd right down to the specific Pantone graphics and cbm graphic chars have to be paid for somehow and I guess rather than soaking the principals of this project for thousands in setup fees, they are passing a $75 per kbd fee onto each sold?  I'm totally guessing.  Still want one, though.

If this outfit buys Cherry switches by the 10,000s they must be inexpensive which is where their margin comes in.

Dumb question time... this is PS/2, so is there a simple adapter that will enable it for use on a MacBook?  (I guess some type of PS/2 to USB to USB C). Any issues to speak of outside of getting the adapters?

 

 

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That's a bargain and a half but I suppose you can view it as a commodity kbd and you get any color you want as long as it's black.
All of the customizations on this kbd right down to the specific Pantone graphics and cbm graphic chars have to be paid for somehow and I guess rather than soaking the principals of this project for thousands in setup fees, they are passing a $75 per kbd fee onto each sold?  I'm totally guessing.  Still want one, though.
If this outfit buys Cherry switches by the 10,000s they must be inexpensive which is where their margin comes in.
Dumb question time... this is PS/2, so is there a simple adapter that will enable it for use on a MacBook?  (I guess some type of PS/2 to USB to USB C). Any issues to speak of outside of getting the adapters?
 
 
The keyboard is actually USB with a PS2 controller on board and supplied with a PS2 adapter, so yes it will work with a Mac
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Thinking of getting one of the X16 Deluxe keyboards, but trying to work out cost to the UK.

Once delivery, duty and VAT are added it is likely going to be over £200.00.

Blue switches seem a safe option, but green also appeal with the extra force required.

However, blue are cheaper. Hmm...

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On 10/14/2020 at 8:20 AM, Cyber said:

Another thought is that PS/2 keyboard connector has unused pins which may be used for these additional buttons. This would require a custom mod for both keyboard and board, but who knows, some users might do even this, if they prefer.

If the RESTORE key is not used for other purposes by the X16, it shouldn't be hard to just use a tiny avr mcu to listen on the PS/2 lines and trigger the nmi whenever it observes a RESTORE key press. To me, this seems to be a rather clean solution, and nobody would have to drill holes into anything.

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On 7/11/2020 at 1:40 PM, jtk said:

I've been entertaining the the idea of getting my first mechanical keyboard for about a year. After seeing the availability of the Commander X16 Deluxe Keyboard on WASD I think I'm inspired to finally commit. Even if the project doesn't make it for some reason, I still think it's a cool looking keyboard and the key labels don't matter to me, I can touch type on a blank keyboard.

Since I have never owned a mechanical keyboard, and it's a rather pricey purchase, I'm hoping some people here might have some answers and suggestions.

1. I absolutely need a Scroll Lock key, it's the shortcut key for my KVM. Does the 40/80 Display key function as a Scroll Lock key on a standard PC?

2. I don't need perfect silence but I code all day and game all night in an area often occupied by other people. I'm thinking of going either Cherry MX Red or Cherry MX Silent Red. This comparison video has me leaning towards Silent Red. Does anyone have a experienced opinions on the difference between these 2 or suggestions on why another type might be better?

3. Does purchasing this particular keyboard support the Commander X16 project directly?

 

Cherry Brown switches are also silent. when you look at the keyboard page any switch that says tactile bump is silent. anything with a click is clicky. i like the clicky sounds of a keyboard but i know it can be distracting especially to other people around you. 

one caveat with this keyboard however is its a ps/2 connection. most(any?) modern computers do not have ps/2 connectors. i don't know if such a thing as ps/2 to usb adapter is a thing but that is what you would need to plug this into anything made in say the last 10 years.

also check this out: https://switchandclick.com/2020/01/06/guide-to-common-mechanical-keyboard-switches-cherry-mx/

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On 10/14/2020 at 7:54 PM, Fenner Machine said:

Thinking of getting one of the X16 Deluxe keyboards, but trying to work out cost to the UK.

Once delivery, duty and VAT are added it is likely going to be over £200.00.

Blue switches seem a safe option, but green also appeal with the extra force required.

However, blue are cheaper. Hmm...

mechanical keyboards and the word cheap are oxymorons. plan to spend at least $200 for a good one. 

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On 10/14/2020 at 1:16 PM, Perifractic said:

The keyboard is actually USB with a PS2 controller on board and supplied with a PS2 adapter, so yes it will work with a Mac emoji106.pngemoji973.png

should of read this before replying to the OP. thats actually a really clever way to design it. i wonder if i could buy this with blank keycaps and use it with a c64 mini? i guess i could make stickers and cover them. 

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On 7/11/2020 at 2:30 PM, Dani said:

To answer your question about different key switch types, I would highly recommend taking your next move carefully lol.  Once you feel mechanical switches under your fingers, you can't ever really go back and enjoy membrane keyboards 😂.  For somebody that types all day, I would actually recommend a switch that allows you to feel the tactile point of actuation such as Blues.  It's much more satisfying in my opinion and they generally are regarded as the best to type with.  Red switches don't have a tactile feel for the actuation point and so they just slide until they bottom out.  A more silent version of the Blue switch would be Brown switches and are sort of a happy medium between the two as they aren't super clicky clacky, but still have that tactile feel when depressing the key.  However, regardless of the switch type, if you are plunging the keys hard enough to bottom out with every stroke, no mechanical keyboard will be truly silent.  When at home I use Blue switches as the sound makes my heart happy and the feel is the best out of any switch type I own.  I personally use Brown switches when in an office environment and I have never gotten any complaints from co-workers.  I know that this is a lot of words to not really answer your question, but I hope to give you some things to think about that videos sometimes don't convey about different keyboard types since mechanical keyboards aren't inexpensive. Hope this helps!

 

you don't need clicky keyboards to get a good feel. the "tactile bump" switches will give you that without the clickiness. browns are good for this and i believe some blacks also have a good bump to them.  you can really customize your keyboards with wasd which is why i like them and why they are hideously expensive. 

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On 7/11/2020 at 2:34 PM, Yuki said:

I recently bought a Cherry MX Red keyboard, I don't really know much about keyboards but I can say that the big difference between Blue and Red from having tried both is that the mechanism on the Blue makes a click when pressed down while the Red don't, but they're stiffer. Brown is kind of a compromise between both. So the noise on Reds comes more from the keycap clacking against the body than anything, which is kinda loud, but if you try to type softer it gets better. Maybe if there's cushions inside the caps, but eh, I don't really know how it works. And I don't really know how Silent Red makes it silent, so yeah.

the browns have parts that take away the click. i read a really good article explaining the different switches and what they do. im unable to find it now but the reply i made to OP has a link to another good one. 

the one i found before told you everything you wanted to know plus more about keyboards switches. ill do some googling and if i find it ill post it here. 

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should of read this before replying to the OP. thats actually a really clever way to design it. i wonder if i could buy this with blank keycaps and use it with a c64 mini? i guess i could make stickers and cover them. 
You can order custom or blank keyboards directly from WASD.

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On 9/11/2020 at 1:25 PM, rje said:

I got the X16 one with MX Clear switches.

 

I didn't even include Clear in my original research, I think I like these the most. Did you get any dampeners and, if so, which ones? When I finally had the money for this, WASD wasn't taking orders for just about anything. Looks like this keyboard is available again and I'm ready to take the plunge.

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Alas, I got no dampeners.  

Or, perhaps, "we don't need no steenking dampeners!"

 

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55 minutes ago, rje said:

Alas, I got no dampeners.  

Or, perhaps, "we don't need no steenking dampeners!"

 

I ordered the key tester from WASD and decided against the dampeners. They take the satisfying crisp feeling of bottoming out the key away and replace it with a mushy, rubbery end. Also, the dampeners are quite expensive. (Not saying they're overpriced - I expect most of the cost is in the work for installing them - just that it's probably not worth the money unless you really care a lot about making the keyboard as silent as possible.)

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