Administrators Michael Steil Posted May 1 Administrators Share Posted May 1 The ROM currently includes 12 different keyboard layouts. I may be able to increase this to 30 or even 60, which is why I'd like to know what layouts people are using. At the end of this post, there is a list of 96 Latin-based layouts. Click on the entries to see the layouts visualized. Please reply which keyboard layout(s) you personally use. 00000404 Chinese (Traditional) - US 00000405 Czech 00000406 Danish 00000407 German 00000409 US 0000040A Spanish 0000040B Finnish 0000040C French 0000040E Hungarian 0000040F Icelandic 00000410 Italian 00000411 Japanese 00000412 Korean 00000413 Dutch 00000414 Norwegian 00000415 Polish (Programmers) 00000416 Portuguese (Brazil ABNT) 00000418 Romanian (Legacy) 0000041A Croatian 0000041B Slovak 0000041C Albanian 0000041D Swedish 0000041F Turkish Q 00000424 Slovenian 00000425 Estonian 00000426 Latvian 0000042A Vietnamese 0000042C Azeri Latin 0000042E Sorbian Standard (Legacy) 00000432 Setswana 00000438 Faeroese 0000043A Maltese 47-Key 0000043B Norwegian with Sami 00000452 United Kingdom Extended 00000468 Hausa 0000046A Yoruba 0000046C Sesotho sa Leboa 0000046E Luxembourgish 0000046F Greenlandic 00000470 Igbo 00000475 Hawaiian 00000481 Maori 00000488 Wolof 00000804 Chinese (Simplified) - US 00000807 Swiss German 00000809 United Kingdom 0000080A Latin American 0000080C Belgian French 00000813 Belgian (Period) 00000816 Portuguese 0000081A Serbian (Latin) 0000083B Swedish with Sami 0000085D Inuktitut - Latin 00000C04 Chinese (Traditional, Hong Kong S.A.R.) - US 00000C0C Canadian French (Legacy) 00001004 Chinese (Simplified, Singapore) - US 00001009 Canadian French 0000100C Swiss French 00001404 Chinese (Traditional, Macao S.A.R.) - US 00001809 Irish 00004009 English (India) 00010402 Bulgarian (Latin) 00010405 Czech (QWERTY) 00010407 German (IBM) 00010409 United States-Dvorak 0001040A Spanish Variation 0001040E Hungarian 101-key 00010410 Italian (142) 00010415 Polish (214) 00010416 Portuguese (Brazil ABNT2) 00010418 Romanian (Standard) 0001041B Slovak (QWERTY) 0001041F Turkish F 00010426 Latvian (QWERTY) 00010427 Lithuanian 0001042E Sorbian Extended 0001043A Maltese 48-Key 0001043B Sami Extended Norway 0001045D Inuktitut - Naqittaut 0001080C Belgian (Comma) 0001083B Finnish with Sami 00011009 Canadian Multilingual Standard 00011809 Scottish Gaelic 00020405 Czech Programmers 00020409 United States-International 00020418 Romanian (Programmers) 00020427 Lithuanian Standard 0002042E Sorbian Standard 0002083B Sami Extended Finland-Sweden 00030408 Greek (220) Latin 00030409 United States-Dvorak for left hand 00040408 Greek (319) Latin 00040409 United States-Dvorak for right hand 00050408 Greek Latin 00050409 US English Table for IBM Arabic 238_L 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyDansbo Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 00000406 Danish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfish Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 My goodness that Dutch layout.. is that official? I can't for the life of me think of anyone here in the Netherlands actually using that layout. I think everyone here is just using the default US layout (and usually on a keyboard with a small horizontal enter key, so the ANSI variant) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinot Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 0000041D Swedish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 0000041D Swedish It's very similar to 0000040B Finnish, I'm not even sure that there are any differences. Downloaded the XML specifications for each layout and run it through diff. As far as I can tell, only the local names of the various keys in the specification are different, which is not visible on an actual keyboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmond D Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Plain old 00000409 US despite being Canadian. While I occasionally speak Quebecois, I don't use the multilingual or "French" Canadian keyboards. What's the impact of adding more keyboard layouts? I'm not against them; I think more users having support for their preferred language would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Minchau Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 00000409 US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Kårlin Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 0000041D Swedish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Michael Steil Posted May 1 Author Administrators Share Posted May 1 On 5/1/2022 at 6:18 PM, Edmond D said: What's the impact of adding more keyboard layouts? I'm not against them; I think more users having support for their preferred language would be great. Right now, I can fit 12 keyboard into a ROM bank (16 KB). If I add compression, I could fit 30. Or I could use a second bank for 24 or 60, respectively. We have enough ROM space to use another bank, but I feel like compression is the prettier solution if we want <= 30. In any case, supporting more than 12 requires writing and testing some more code. I did a survey about this already back in 2019, but I hope to get a better signal now. Maybe the result is that we reach 99% of all users with the top 12. That said, keyboard layouts don't have to be in ROM, can can be (auto-)loaded from SD card as well. I could decide against shipping more than 12 in ROM, and ship a few extra ones as files for the SD card instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMt Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 I use 00000807 Swiss German. Not very common... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceMcF Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) I have only ever used English and French, and French only when I have inherited a laptop from my wife -- the layout of my office computer keyboard in Beijing was US layout. English (US) 00000409, French 0000040C, Latin American Spanish 0000080A, and Brazilian Portuguese 00010416 seems like it would cover a good swath of North and South American and Africa. But of course I understand that Spain uses the original ES keyboard 0000040A, and Portugal the original Portuguese keyboard, 0000816. I would add Swahili to that list as well, but as hard as it is to find information on Kiswahili layout keyboards, it seems likely many Swahili speakers muddle through with either English (US) or English (UK) layout keyboards. It seems likely supporting the range of keyboards in use in Europe is going to press past 12, but it might be OK to stop at 12 in ROM and have the ability to load a keyboard definition from the SD card. Edited May 1 by BruceMcF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisand Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 00000414 Norwegian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooingLemur Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 I use 00020409 United States-International but the variant that requires AltGr to activate dead keys. Without holding down AltGr/Right Alt, it behaves identically to a US keyboard. I don't see myself taking advantage of this too much given the limited tile set, but I thought it was interesting that the question was posed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceMcF Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) On 5/1/2022 at 4:13 PM, MooingLemur said: I use 00020409 United States-International but the variant that requires AltGr to activate dead keys. Without holding down AltGr/Right Alt, it behaves identically to a US keyboard. I don't see myself taking advantage of this too much given the limited tile set, but I thought it was interesting that the question was posed. While the standard tiles may be a bit limited, that is not imposed by Vera's capabilities ... IIRC, Vera supports character modes with up to 1024 defined characters. Edited May 1 by BruceMcF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppescher Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 00000410 Italian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lain Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 00010409 United States-Dvorak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinkle Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 00000414 Norwegian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Administrators TomXP411 Posted May 2 Super Administrators Share Posted May 2 I mostly use 00000409 US, but I have been known to use 00020409 United States-International from time to time when working on forms for non-English languages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid_Som Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Mine more closely resembles this layout: 00000409 US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svenvandevelde Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 00000813 Belgian (Period) please or 0000080C Belgian French Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMt Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 On 5/1/2022 at 8:21 PM, Michael Steil said: That said, keyboard layouts don't have to be in ROM, can can be (auto-)loaded from SD card as well. I could decide against shipping more than 12 in ROM, and ship a few extra ones as files for the SD card instead. I would be fine with that, so you could move "00000807 Swiss German" further down in priority and if it falls out of the top 12, then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radfoo Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 00000809 United Kingdom Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stéphane Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 On 5/1/2022 at 4:28 PM, Michael Steil said: 00020409 United States-International A must for all those who like a keyboard to be normal (ANSI QWERTY) and need to write in different European languages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rje Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 I'd like something exotic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codewar65 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 On 5/2/2022 at 12:37 PM, rje said: I'd like something exotic. Esperanto? https://sites.google.com/site/windowskeyboards/Home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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